How To Become a Digital Nomad

Yasi: Today my guest is Mike Swigunski and he is a remote jobs expert, bestselling author and founder of Global Korea, and I’m very excited to have him here because I watched the CNBC video featuring him living in Georgia tli. And I’m so glad to get connected with him and he’s going to share with us his personal experiences, why he’s doing what he’s doing now, how life is in Georgia tli, and how the pros and calls of living abroad and do a remote job.

So welcome to Fast Track Podcast. Mike.

Mike Swigunski: Thanks so much for having me on Yasi. I’m really excited to chat with you more and try to help out whoever’s looking to get started with their own global careers.

Yasi: Yeah, let me start with the first question. Can. Tell us, so our audience, a little bit about yourself, like you are from us originally, right?

Like how come you ended up living in Georgia,

Mike Swigunski: tsi? Yeah, that’s a question I get a lot living overseas because a lot of people are trying to do the opposite of what I’m doing. They’re trying to move to America and the big draw for them to move to America is to get a higher salary, to have more opportunities.

In my position, I’m able to run businesses from the United States, generate that US salary, but then live overseas and take advantage of the lower cost of living and increasing my higher quality of life. So about myself, I’m from Wildwood, Missouri. I wasn’t some like avid traveler from young age.

I think my first international flight was like 18 years old. Before that was just road tripping with my family when we went on vacation. So we’d. Road tripping for 17, 18 hour car rides down to Florida. And then I guess I caught the travel bug when my dad and my brother and I we went to Europe, we went to Italy.

And I absolutely loved it there. I decided to study abroad my sophomore year of university in Italy. So that was a phenomenal experience. And that’s when I truly caught the travel bug. I was traveling by myself, I was traveling with friends, and as soon as I got back that summer from studying abroad, One of the student managers of the Study abroad program suggested that I apply to be one of the managers for the next year.

So it was more or less a two year sort of internship through the University of Missouri where you do everything with the study abroad program, you’re doing the marketing, you’re doing the sales, you’re teaching courses through the university, and then in the summer you’re taking students overseas. and they selected me after applying and, interviewing and everything.

They selected me to lead the Prague Study Abroad program which I’d never been to Prague. So I had to sell people a destination and an experience that I had never actually been to. So it was my first entrepreneurial moment where I was able to try to sell something that I haven’t even experienced.

So it took a lot of creativity to really come up with a marketing plan, come up with a sales plan. And the thing is, the director of Study abroad said, Hey, we had seven students last year in Prague Study abroad. If we don’t get at least 20 students, we’re gonna have to shut it down. Because it just wasn’t getting enough traction.

So we came up with a really great marketing plan, just hit the ground running and we actually maxed it out. There was only, the program could only hold the maximum of 35 people. So that first year was able to max it out at 35 people and then the next year grew it to 45 people, which was again, the maximum number of amounts.

So the director of Study abroad was really happy. The university in Prague was really happy with the results, and of course I was happy. I got to keep doing this internship. So if I hadn’t achieved results, then I wouldn’t have been able to continue on with this program. So it was my senior year of university I was interviewing with corporate jobs and the main side of me really wanted to just go to Europe and try to find work over there.

I just absolutely loved it. And so I decided to just essentially book a one way. Over to Prague. Once I got there, I started researching using all my contacts and all my connections because I’d been working with the university there for two years, they saw the growth and development and they had me apply for a teaching position.

So I got selected and hired to teach financial economics. And I started a new course there as well. But because, I had a finance background I had taught two years before through the University of Missouri. They’d seen me already working for the past two years. We had a relationship, so it was like a two year interview to get this role.

But it worked out really well. And I ended up being a professor at the age of 22, essentially, which is a pretty fun thing to be.

Yasi: And yeah. Being a professor at age of 22 in a foreign country, a foreign university,

Mike Swigunski: Yeah, so that this was like the big light bulb moment. I showed up in a brand new country, was able to find a job within a few months.

And that was like the moment I was like, Okay, I can keep developing my career. I don’t have to put my life on hold for a year or two. I don’t have to take a gap. I can continue working, developing my. While still traveling, like when I was living in Prague, I was traveling. I made it a goal to go to a new country or new city at least once a month because it’s so central.

You can hop on a train and for 20, 30 bucks you can be in a new country, which is, when you’re in Missouri in the middle of America. To go to a new country takes a lot longer to get there. So that was a great experience living in Prague, I was based there for about two years, but the teaching life just wasn’t the path that I really was passionate about.

It was amazing experience for that one academic year that I was teaching. But I just was craving something I guess that would push me a little bit further and help me grow even more. So after doing that, I decided to move back to the United States, save up some money. So I got a contract working at Wells Fargo, which is a huge bank working on the trading floor as a brokerage and.

Basically working as a broker, I was able to save up money, move to Australia, and Australia has this really nice working holiday visa where you can essentially do any job that an Australian citizen can do. You just have to apply online. And then I got approved and Oh, be young

enough. Be young enough.

Mike Swigunski: Yeah, There is some requirements. You have to be under a certain age for Australia, New Zealand, but not a lot of countries are offering similar programs. Because that was like the big hurdle at the time was getting this working visa because a lot of times you can go as a tourist but you can’t really work legally.

So I was able to do the working holiday visa in Australia, do the working holiday visa in New Zealand. And I was working for tech companies when I was there. A lot of people that go to these countries for these working holiday visas, they focus on finding kind of what I consider backpacker jobs, which is working at a hostel, working at a bar picking fruit in a farm.

And none of that was really interesting to me. I think it’s a great experience, but I was like, I wanna find something that, again, is going to help build my career. So I was focusing on like actual career oriented jobs, and everyone who I met who was a foreigner was focused on these other types of jobs.

So I think I had a big advantage there because, they saw like nobody else was really competing for these these jobs at these tech companies. So I ended up working for a tech startup. Really loved it. Was living in Sydney. Absolutely had a great work to life balance. Was able to work remotely.

This was like my first experience with remote working around 2015. And it was remote working, but I still had to be based in. So the

Yasi: company is in Sydney, but yeah, you can work from home

Mike Swigunski: or anywhere. Yeah. So it was based in Sydney. It was more of like a hybrid remote working. So it was like three or four days working from home, two or three days going into the office going into meetings in the city and stuff.

So it was a good flexibility. Between, work to life balance there, working remotely. And my first introduction. So when I was there, I actually had been in touch with a mentor who I met while I was working at a university in Prague. To backtrack a bit there this mentor of mine.

He was on his sabbatical, Prague, We became good friends. He saw that I had really, had a lot of ambitions in life and suggested I applied for an MBA program in South Korea. So while I was in Australia, I was like, Okay, this is a great opportunity. I should apply for this MBA program.

And I got accept. Was able to get a full scholarship. They were gonna pay for my tuition, my flight, my housing set me up with a job while I was there. And so I was I love my life in Sydney, but I was like, this is just too good of an opportunity to not go to South Korea and experience this.

So then I moved to South Korea from Sydney was studying in Guang j for my MBA program and studying at a university there for about two, two and a half years. And as soon as I graduated, I spent about six months just living in Seoul trying to find non-teaching jobs which is very difficult in South Korea.

It’s not impossible, but the hard part about it is they have a separate visa class for teaching. So essentially, they want a lot of English teachers. They pay them. Some of the most highly paid teachers in the world [00:10:00] is South Korea. I just graduated my mba, so I wanted to pursue something a little bit different.

And basically, I was on a work looking for work visa, which is this like purgatory where it doesn’t allow you to work, it just allows you to look for work, but nobody wants to hire you unless you have a work visa because they have to sponsor you and everything. So it’s a little bit complicated.

They do have some now like working holiday visas there as well. If you meet certain criteria but anyways, I tried that for six months. Wasn’t able to find anything really consistent. I was doing a lot of odd jobs. I was like working as a model, doing like voice acting. I had a part-time marketing job, which was only like 15 to 20 hours a week.

So overall it was a great experience. I loved it. But I decided, hey, this just is like a little bit too hard to find something that I’m looking for. So I decided to go do the working holiday visa in New Zealand. and essentially within a week or two of showing up, I just hit the ground running. I didn’t have a ton of money saved up.

I think I had the bare minimum that you needed to go to New Zealand, which was like 3000 US dollars or something.

Yasi: Yeah. Is that, was that the second time you did the working holiday visa in New Zealand? So

Mike Swigunski: the first one was in Australia. The second one was in New Zealand. Okay. Yeah. So this was like the only.

One opportunity that I did it. So I moved to New Zealand within a week or two. I found a job just because I was like, I’m gonna spend 50, 60 hours a week applying for jobs. It was like, okay, my full-time job now is to find a job. And then I found a job very quickly working for, again, another tech startup.

And this was in the travel space, so it was like perfect for kind of what I was looking for. And again, it was fully remote. I just had to be in Auckland to meet up with the owners of the business. And overall it was a great experience, but they ran out of money. It was just like, it was a travel magazine that was trying to like, be like a tech company, but it just didn’t work in the end.

And they ran outta money and. I spent two, four months working and then two months traveling around New Zealand. And while I was traveling, I applied for another tech startup company which was a hundred percent remote. You would do six to nine months of training in person, and then you could work from anywhere.

And I got hired on to be a marketing strategist for this tech startup. And they were getting started in Vietnam, but they were an American based company. And essentially I was employee number four. And essentially we helped build this company into one of the fastest growing companies in the United States.

Grew to hundreds of different, of hundreds of people. Working fully remote all around the world. So it was a real wild ride building this this huge tech startup. And the background of this business is a brokerage which helps people buy and sell profitable online businesses that have been curated.

So the company’s names Empire Flippers, and. What the great thing about this company was, it was a remote company, so it taught me a lot about remote work, building remote teams, hiring remote talent all around the world. Just being able to build culture with a remote team. And then it also taught me a lot about online businesses, so it taught me everything that goes into, what makes a good online.

And essentially I helped broker 120 million worth of these online businesses. So I got to see what successful businesses looked like, how they got started, how they were able to really grow and scale. And it’s been an extremely knowledgeable to learn about this industry. And I still help entrepreneurs sell their businesses, and I still help buyers buy these businesses because it really is the fastest.

To success is to acquire an already established online business. These businesses have two or three years of profitability. They have year over year growth. They have a lot less risk than starting a business from scratch. Starting a business from scratch, can take two to three years to get profitable.

It can, and there’s no guarantee of success with that. So that was Where I learned a lot of knowledge about marketing, digital marketing, and just how to build businesses and how to grow businesses. But around 2018, about two years into working for this company, I started building my own side hustles, started acquiring my own businesses, and eventually my side hustles were just, Performing as good as my salary.

So I decided to, after fully vesting my four years at Empire Flippers, decided to just go fully into building my own brand. So to publish

Yasi: your, Sorry, what is your side hustle at that moment? Is that you acquire other online business and you were running those businesses?

Mike Swigunski: So I in 2018, I published my book, which is Global Career, so that was part of the business book sales.

Then I have a remote job. Then I have consulting and courses alongside teaching people how to find remote jobs, how to travel better, how to travel hack, which is getting free and cheap flights and then also. I offer services to help people acquire businesses and help people sell their businesses.

So that’s started in 2018, and then I acquired a software business in 2019 and a few other like content websites throughout the next few years. So all in all, these businesses are fairly passive, like my software business. It takes around one or two hours a month to maintain, because I’ve outsourced and hired all the essential things to be done by somebody else.

So that’s the position is building my portfolio of these passive businesses and also helping other people buy and sell online businesses. So there’s a lot of things that I’m doing. Got a lot of other projects in the works too. So it’s been a really fun experience.

Yasi: I’m very interested in this topic of buying, selling online business because I interview a lot of guests.

They were talking about how to build an online business so you can work from anywhere. But to think about that, like you said, a lot of business fail. Why not just buy it from someone who already established the process and a business may maybe it’s also already profitable, and then take it over. Can you take us through the process, why somebody want to sell the business and how to acquire it, how to evaluate.

Mike Swigunski: Yeah, so it’s a fascinating industry and it’s really changed over the last two years. There’s literally billions of dollars of funds that have realized, hey, we can buy these businesses and grow them. There’s no other asset class where you can essentially from day one go and start tinkering and start growing the business.

So one example of my software business that I. I was able to buy it from day one. I had, I already had a growth strategy because I looked at the business, saw a lot of potential where I could grow it, and was able to recruit my investment back in nine months, which is a crazy for any type of investment class to get your.

Your initial investment back in nine months and then now it’s essentially more than 10 x in profit from what I bought it from. So it’s essentially one of these things where you can find these businesses and the reason a lot of times people are selling it is they have a lot of projects. So the business, I bought this person.

Had five or 10 other businesses that they’re running, they just didn’t have the time to really dedicate to this one project. They did a few things in their sort of tool belt to try and grow it. They saw that it was just they did everything they knew how to do to grow it. And were looking to sell it.

A lot of times people want to use. Money from that business. Let’s say they have two or three businesses for business. A every dollar they invest, they get $5 back in profit. But business B, they invest every dollar they invest, they get $10 back in profit and business C, every dollar they invest, they get $20 back.

So if they sell business A and B they can use that revenue or that money from the sale to invest in business C. And a lot of times these businesses require a lot of cash flow. So that’s a common thing is why somebody would sell a business. The other thing is a lot of people just lose. Maybe they were super passionate about this business, but after running it for two or three years, they’re like, Hey, I just wanna get the money invested in something else.

Maybe something like in buy a sell your digital real estate, buy real estate, physical real estate. So there’s all sorts of reasons and it’s definitely varies per business. And as far as valuations, the great things about these businesses they’re essentially in a asset class called micro assets, which is normally $10 million and below.

Most of these businesses are gonna be based and valued primarily on profit. So it’ll be, if you take the last. It’s 30 months of net profit that’s gonna give you a good average of what they’ll be worth. So if your business is making $10,000 a month in net profit, you could sell that business for around $300,000.

Again, there’s gonna be a lot of variation of what if you get a 30 x multiple or a 60 x multiple. Depending on the industry, the type of business you have, recurring monthly monthly recurring revenue is it an industry that’s going to be evergreen? So all these factors go into, whether your business is gonna sell for 300,000 or $600,000.

And essentially I help sellers try to get that higher valuation by making changes in their business by trying to structure it in a way that makes it more appealing for. And then on the buy side, I help people find these businesses find something that’s going to align with the skill sets they have and then I help them implement a growth plan to grow the business as soon as they acquire it.

So it’s a really great industry. Basically if you’ve got an extra a hundred K of capital sitting around, you can buy these cash flowing businesses. And the great thing about them is they’re cash flowing from day one. If you essentially do nothing, you should get your profit back, your initial investment back in 30 to 60 months depending on the business.

But a lot of times you can grow these businesses and get it back a lot faster.

Yasi: Sounds very interesting. My next question would be, maybe a lot of people might think, okay, once they acquire those business and they’re not experts in this domain, this industry, they don’t have experiences. How can they successfully manage and grow the business that they’re going to acquire?

Or should they acquire something that really very familiar with?

Mike Swigunski: Yeah, so I would say, Definitely I try to help people align their skills and their knowledge with a business that there’s not gonna be so overwhelming. And there’s certain businesses that are generally just a lot more complicated and harder to run.

A lot of these websites are fairly easy. They don’t really need to understand too much. But again, if you have no sort of online business experience, if you struggle to open up Zoom or download Zoom, or. You’re gonna probably struggle with an online business, but if you have some tech skills if you’re familiar with WordPress, a lot of these blogs are fairly easy.

And the thing is the person who you’re buying it from usually trains you for 30 to 60 days. So you’re not just getting handed the keys and say, Good luck. They’re gonna show you for two to three months. Depending on what type of business, how complicated it is. They’re gonna show you how to run the business and how to do all the day to day operations.

But some of ’em are very simple. Like a lot of these businesses are content websites. It’s essentially just a blog that’s ranking very high on Google for a certain niche. Let’s say like best office chairs, ranking number one on Google for best office chair. It’s getting a ton of searches. They make money through affiliate marketing advertisement.

They have a writer in place that goes in, writes articles. They’ve got the next two years of content outlined already. You just buy it essentially take over the cash flow. Maybe you can implement some SEO tactics to help grow it. But yeah, that’s essentially one of the simpler business models. But then you have more complicated stuff, which might be in the software space or the physical product space where you’re essentially ordering products from China.

You’re sending them to Amazon to be fulfilled by Amazon. And this is called fba. And these business models can take a different set of skill than running a content business. There’s a lot more cash flow involved because you have to order, thousands of dollars worth of product to send Amazon.

You have to pay fees. And you have to understand different areas of the business. Some of these can be a little bit more complex. They can have 50 or a hundred products. Some of ’em could be just one product doing really well on Amazon. Even the same business model. You look at two business.

They can be a lot more complex and complicated. So it really is one of those things I try to help people that I work with is what is your kind of expertise level? What is a business that’s going to be the best fit for you? And what is your risk tolerance? Some businesses are generally gonna be more risky.

And that’s the thing. I think that’s what’s holding back the industry. It’s usually not a lot of the funding isn’t holding it back. It’s the number of operators that can actually run these businesses. But yeah. Depending on your skill level. That’s my sort of sales pitch is I help them run the business a little bit.

I’m always there to help them after they do the acquisition, after the seller of the business is. Fulfill their duties. I’m there to help them grow it and make sure that, they know what they’re doing.

Yasi: Yeah. And is that how you manage your online, your own online business? Like you are helping your clients remotely and where are they, where are most of those clients coming from?

Mike Swigunski: Yeah Pretty much everyone’s remotely. I only, the only physical person here is I have an assistant who’s local. But yeah, most of my team is overseas based all around the world, and most of the people I’m working with are mostly US based or North America. Yeah, as far as like running stuff though, it’s.

I try to run and pick up things that are passive or going to need a lot of front loading work. So maybe it’ll take two to three months of my time to front load and figure out the processes. But after that, then it’s just essentially on autopilot. So I think a lot of entrepreneurs and a lot of businesses, they just get in this mode of tinkering or doing things that aren’t.

Impacting the bottom line. So I think I really try to put an emphasis on what’s gonna have the biggest impact from day one. So when I acquired the software business, there was a few really easy, what I, what we call low hanging fruits. One of the first things I asked the seller, I was like, Hey, what pricing tiers did you test?

And he goes, I didn’t test any pricing. Pick this product because, other people are charging this much for similar software. And so I was like, Okay, I’m just gonna double the pricing until things flat line. And so I just continued doubling the price until it evened off and I saw okay, this is the perfect price point.

So that was one strategy to really grow the business. And I think a lot of people don’t try to do this. They try to do a million other things, but try to like split test their pricing. So that was something that worked really well for me. And with a physical product it could be a little bit more difficult with a digital product that I was selling.

It’s a lot easier. You go in there, change the price, and you hit publish and like 10 seconds later it’s changed. So that was one real easy thing I did. The second thing I. Was what I call cro or conversion rate optimization, which is essentially just looking at the page that the landing page, adding more testimonials, adding more details adding more calls to action.

And one thing that worked really well for me was just adding an exit intent. One time offer coupon. So essentially when people were about to leave the checkout, they’d be like, Oh, you can get $10 off right now, but this is the only time. And that has. Worked extremely well. So between that teaming up with some kind of industry experts to promote the business with as affiliates between those ways, I was able to grow this business really quickly after that acquisition.

Okay,

Yasi: amazing. You are really a business expert and coming back to where you are right now, right? You’re running multiple business from Georgiai people might ask, why you pick Georgia, why you pick, Okay. By the way, Georgia is not in the us. There is another country in Europe called Georgia and like, how did you ended up there?

Why do you choose to

Mike Swigunski: live? Yeah, so I was, before I was living in Blei, I was living in Mein Columbia and essentially I’d been based there for a few years. I absolutely loved Columbia, but the safety concern just became a real thing. I had a lot of friends that had is issues, and this wasn’t, [00:28:00] the person that was doing something, bad and was like, Okay, you’re, you were in, you’re putting yourself in a bad scenario.

It’s just Hey, I was walking. Down the street in broad daylight or I was in an Uber and got held up by a gunpoint. So I was like, Okay, I want to get out and get to somewhere safer. So I was looking at countries that had really a lot of safety and Georgia’s one of the safest countries in the world actually.

They say that it’s even statistically as safe as Switzerland, which is really cool to. So basically that was one issue I was looking for that. The second thing was the visa situation is extremely welcoming. In Georgia, you can show up here with your passport, and it’s not just Americans, it’s around, I think 150 countries or something are eligible to come to Georgia for one year, show up with their passport, and they can stay here and live here for that one year.

So I decided to come here for a month, see how I liked. Then it happened. And essentially that one month turned into almost two years of, the borders were closed, the whole world was shut down. But after a month, I loved it here and decided to stay long term. And this has been my sort of travel hub.

So I’m based here around probably eight months out of the year. And the other four months I’m traveling around. Not always. Four months at a time. But here and there I just got back from visiting Baku and Azerbaijan nice. And celebrating my hundredth country. So a few friends in, I went down to celebrate

Yasi: Okay. Do you need a visa

Mike Swigunski: to aai? You need an online visa. It took Five minutes. It’s $25. But yeah, you do need a, an online visa for there depending on which, what your nationality is. Yeah, I

Yasi: asked this because I was joking cuz I know for Swiss passport holder, they also need a visa to go to as I’m not sure if this online visa thing, but for me, I don’t need a visa.

So like I can visit four more countries without a visa than Swiss passport holder.

Mike Swigunski: Oh wow. That’s great. Yeah, I actually I loved it there. It was a beautiful city really friendly people, extremely clean. One of the cleaner cities that I’ve been to. So I really enjoyed it. Great time. But again, I think you can only stay for 30 days as American, and that just shows like the contrast.

Like you get back to Georgia, here you go one year. Yeah. And then after that one year, you. Go to Armenia or a nearby country, like an hour away and then come back again for another year. Yeah. Visa run . Yeah, Visa run. It’s definitely a very welcoming country, especially to foreigners.

Yasi: Is there a reason why they do that?

Do they want to attract more business, more foreigners or does any tax

Mike Swigunski: benefit? So I think there’s a lot of things. I think they’re just trying to attract more people in general and more people that are gonna bring more money in. And I think, for my [00:31:00] example, the cost of living is low here, so an expat is probably gonna spend.

Maybe four or five times more than the average local family depending on, the expat and what country they’re from. And I think they’re trying to attract those people that are going to, one, not take jobs or compete for local jobs. And two, they’re gonna buy more real estate. They’re going to be a positive impact on the community.

And generally overall every Georgian that I’ve met has been extremely welcoming to have foreigners in their country and to kind. Have the country start growing and I think they’re trying to attract more of these types of individuals here.

Yasi: Are there any benefits for business owners or entrepreneurs?

I mean in terms of income tax or corporate tax or rebate,

Mike Swigunski: et cetera? Yeah, I think they have a 1% tax law here. But again, I’m not a tax expert. It varies so much from what country you’re from. If you’re American. Essentially, if you’re American, you still have to pay taxes. In the US it follows you everywhere, but other countries they can set up a tax structure here that’s a little bit more beneficial for them than someplace in Europe.

So it really varies like what your business structure is, where your income’s coming from, what country you’re from, what nationality you’re from. So you definitely need to talk to a tax expert. But there is some great benefits here. They do have a. Sort of tax rate for everyone.

Yasi: Nice to hear that.

do you have any other last minute message or advice to your audience if they want to start a, let’s say, online business or work remotely to allow them visit different countries have the flexibility with their own time, Like where can they

Mike Swigunski: start? Yeah, so I, I always try to like gauge people what they wanna do.

There’s pretty much three ways to start working. As a digital nomad or working remotely so you can get a remote job. You can start [00:33:00] freelancing or you can go into entrepreneurship. Those are the three main paths. So choosing one of those paths is going to be the fastest way to do that. And for me, finding a own job is probably the fastest way because, and the least amount of risk you can start having somebody else pay your salary and you can work remotely.

Freelancing again is a great way and I always try to recommend doing a hybrid approach where get a remote job first. Start freelancing, building that side hustle. So either do freelancing or entrepreneurship because that really reduces your risk overall in being successful. So that’s what I recommend with people is like, Where you’re at.

If you’re working an office job, look at getting a remote job. If you’ve already got a remote job, then start a side household through freelancing or building a business. And I think that’s the best path to go. And if you need help with any of that, feel free to reach out to me. I help in all of these areas in [00:34:00] helping people get started with what took me five to 10 years to figure out.

I try to help fast track people into a lot shorter timeline.

Yasi: And then the last question would be, how can people get in touch with you, your social media, your email address, your websites? Please share it here. Yeah.

Mike Swigunski: Yeah. So global career book.com is probably the best place to go. It has information, everything I offer, it has links to my book.

Links to get in touch and yeah, Or if you wanna reach out to me on LinkedIn, Mike Spassky, or on Instagram, Mike Spassky as well. I’m probably most active on there, so if you send me a message, I’m pretty good at getting back to you. Probably a little bit better on Instagram at applying, replying to messages, but, As long as you say, Hey, I’ve listened to you on this podcast.

I’ll get back to you.

Yasi: Okay. Thank you so much, Mike, and feel free to contact him, my audience.

Mike Swigunski: Yeah, I love hearing from people. And if you’re ever come to Tibilisi, feel free to reach out and as far as you as well, Yasi hopefully we’ll cross paths somewhere, I

Yasi: think soon. Yeah. Okay. Thank you so much for being here.

Mike Swigunski: Thank you so much for having me.