Chat with Peter Saddington, Hardware Drop for A Global IoT Network

Yasi: Hello, Peter. Welcome to the Fasttrack podcast. 

Peter Saddington: Hello. Hello. Thanks so much for inviting me, Yasi, I appreciate being here. 

Yasi: I’m very excited to have you. And I know that you bought the first world first Bitcoin Lamborghini, and I want to talk about that because in our audience, we have a lot of people who are in the blockchain space, so we invest in cryptocurrencies. So how did you learn about Bitcoin at that time and how did you get involved into it? 

Peter Saddington: Great question. so long story short. In October of 2011, I read an RS technical article online that said that a, a particular development stack, a code coding language had lost value. Now for me, Never been, never heard of Bitcoin before.

Never heard of cryptocurrency before, for me as an engineer and developer, when I heard that a tech stack like Java or C sharp or.net or Ruby had lost a value, I was like, this doesn’t make any sense. And so I immediately dug in for about a hour. Full month research, a ton about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency.

I think I lost like five or seven pounds or so during this period. And I was so convinced that this technology was going to be world changing that I bought my first Bitcoin at a dollar and 52 cents in November of 2011. And ever since then, I have been an avid cryptocurrency Bitcoin supporter. Obviously I’ve built several startups in the cryptocurrency space and did a lot of content from the 2016 to the 2019 period.

During that time, I also thought it would be a great marketing campaign for one of my venture funded cryptocurrency startups. To be the first person to buy a Lamborghini Huracan with Bitcoin 45 Bitcoins. And so that was my 15 minutes of fame, Yasi, where I was all over the world. I was all over the news from Yahoo finance to CNBC Maxim Forbes.

I was on Chinese television, Russian television, Korean television. I still get. People today that say, Hey man, I saw you on like a scammy advertisement from Russia. Uh, and because, because they have my face in a Lamborghini behind me. Um, but yeah, I think it was about 300 million views or so worldwide. And so that was just a great way to bring people into this idea of cryptocurrency and learn about, yeah, it has to do with money and fancy cars.

I get it, but it was a great, it was great optics. So it was a great way to get people introduced. So that was my little marketing campaign from my previous venture funded startup. 

Yasi: And did you hold on your Bitcoins or did you sell some of them besides the 45 Bitcoins you use for Lamboghini? 

Peter Saddington: I am an avid DCA, or dollar cost averaging investor.

So that’s something that I’ve been preaching for over a decade to all the people that I know. So I still invest a hundred dollars a month. In the Bitcoin, no matter the price. Uh, and so I I’ve lost a lot of Bitcoins in the 2011 to 2014, 15 period, uh, because we were still writing, um, our addresses on sticky notes at the time.

Uh, but now I’ve gotten, I have more discipline than I’m using hardware and cold storage and these types of things, but certainly I’m still investing in Bitcoin and will always invest in Bitcoin until, I guess maybe Bitcoin becomes the preeminent and dominant mechanism for monetary policy. 

Yasi: I asked this question because a lot of early Bitcoin adopters actually didn’t gain anything because they lost their wallet address. 

Peter Saddington: It’s true. I, I, I’ve lost more Bitcoin than I’d like to admit and considering the price right now. I think we’re above 12,000 right now. Uh, when I look back at that, uh, Yasi that, uh, it does hurt, it does sting a little bit.

You can find on its own loss. 

Yasi: You’re not the only one. And okay. And also how did the transaction happen? Like you, you. You transferred a 45 Bitcoin to someone, the car dealer. How do you do it? 

Peter Saddington: Great question. So we actually have a video on that, on my YouTube, but I’ll explain it briefly here. Essentially the car was on consignment, which means it wasn’t owned by the dealership.

It was being marketed by the dealership. So it was on consignment by a doctor who loved cryptocurrency. And when I heard that he was accepting cryptocurrency, I said, man, And this is the time. So I contacted him, said, Hey, how much do you want for it? We kind of Bitcoin at the time was about, I think it was about 5,500 or 5,000 5,500 per coin at the time.

And so we came out to a price of around 225, 230 grand. And so we just did the transaction. I send them half of the Bitcoin, um, just real quick. You know, 15, 20 minutes to resolve on the blockchain and these types of things. And then I send them the rest of it, uh, at, at delivery at the dealership when I was signing some warranty papers and stuff like that.

So it literally, the entire transaction probably took only about. You have three minutes in terms of typing stuff in and then about twenty-five minutes for it to resolve on the blockchain. So it was really just, Hey, here’s the Bitcoin, you give me the title to the car and off we go. So it was really simple.

Yasi: Wonderful. And it’s a very interesting story and I watch it, um, YouTube when the other CNBC, I guess. So I encourage the audience to Google Peter Saddington and Lamborghini and watch how it goes. 

Peter Saddington: Yeah, I am the, uh, I, if you Google like Bitcoin bro, or something like that, I think I’m the first face on Google images for like Bitcoin bro or something like that.

So, yeah. Um, I think I’ve become a meme here. 

Yasi: But your face is not only for that. Right. You’re also a co-founder of VINWiki. Is that right? 

Peter Saddington: That’s right. That’s right. I am co-founder of VINWiki. VINwiki is a startup based out of Atlanta here, essentially a Carfax competitor. So one of the problems that we were coming across as especially exotic car owners, Is that the data around cars is number one, outdated.

And number two, doesn’t get updated for months or sometimes even years, depending on how that data is input into the government databases. And so we wanted to give people an opportunity to self-report what they’re doing with their car. Here’s an oil change snap. Here’s a picture of it here. I got a little dent, but I took a, I fixed it and here’s how I fixed it.

And so it looks better now. And so our hypothesis Yasi, was that if people self-report on their own cars, their hypothesis was that you’d be able to sell your car at about 1500 to $2,500 more because it’s more accurate data. And so far from our users and from feedback. We find that to be appropriately so, and that, it’s great to be able to say, go to someone and say, here’s my car. You want to be buy it? Car facts says all this, but it’s all generic information. Here’s my VIN Wiki profile. Here’s all the stuff that I’ve done to the car. Here’s the oil changes. Here’s the pictures. Here’s where it got a little scratch and I bumped it out.

And that enables people to have a more verifiable and relevant data around their car so they can sell it for a little bit more. So that’s a growing company. Our YouTube channel, I think is a 1.3 million subscribers right now. Our application is growing. Our VIN Wiki application is growing about 300, 400 users per day.

And so, uh, it really exciting to be part of that startup as well. 

Yasi: Right. And also, I want to ask you, how did you amass 1.3 million subscribers on YouTube? What is your secret? 

Peter Saddington: My secret is storytelling. And so you can probably imagine already, I’ve talked about a couple stories here. And so we found that the world of the world.

Just loves great stories. And so something that you’re doing exceptionally well here, Yasi is you’re bringing on people to your podcast and to your show, um, and people that tell great stories. And so the more that you do this, the more popular you can become. And especially as you get a couple of lucky breaks here and there with some, maybe some famous YouTubers or some famous content creators, maybe me, I don’t know, but I can certainly introduce you to some other great.

People that should come on your show, you just keep doing it and yeah. Yes. Yeah. And, and you don’t quit. Um, I’ll give you a couple of examples. So you might’ve, might’ve heard, you might not have heard of Casey Neistat. He’s a YouTuber out of New York city. Um, obviously one of the largest, uh, YouTubers in the world is a Pewdie pie, uh, based out of the Netherlands, I believe.

Um, and these guys aren’t exceptional. I mean, their content is exceptional. However, They’ve never quit. And Casey Neistat, I think he’s been on YouTube for 15 years. I think Pewdie pie is probably about the same 15 years. And so it really is a content grind. And so if you’re, if you have the persistence, if you have the dedication and you have a great personality and you’re fun, like you and you keep doing it, you will grow, you will grow.

And so VIN Wiki, we’ve grown to 1.3 million subscribers. Over a period of about three and a half years now. Um, and it’s just been, it’s just been great. And so I encourage everyone out there in the content space to not quit because 99% of all content creators quit. And those that survive are the ones who keep going and keep inviting great storytellers onto their show.

Yasi: Great lessons. That’s really pure gold. 

Peter Saddington: And thank you. 

And have you ever made any mistakes in the past three, four years with your channel? 

of course I’ve made mistakes. I mean, how many mistakes do you want me to tell you? 

Yasi: Give us a couple of examples that you, you, you get the biggest learnings from. 

Peter Saddington: Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you three stories.

Okay, I’ll tell you three stories and maybe not, all of them are mistakes per se, but the first cryptocurrency YouTube channel that I built in 2016 was a, a YouTube channel called bite-size Bitcoin. And my slogan, whenever I introduced myself, let’s welcome to bite-size Bitcoin, where we discuss and do mystify Bitcoin and blockchain technologies.

And my whole goal of that particular YouTube channel was to educate the world around Bitcoin and cryptocurrency. Now I made about 25, 2,700 videos on there. And then I got demonetized and then YouTube deleted all of my YouTube videos. I lost thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of work. And what I learned from that experience is that in many ways you can’t just promote and you can’t just market on one channel. Don’t do it. Right now. Whenever I put out content, it goes out to about 19 different mediums. So it goes on YouTube. you know, Instagram. Twitter, Snapchat. Uh, it goes on Tik TOK. It goes on Pinterest, Facebook. I could go on and on and on and on.

And so the best content creators are the ones who build content and then cut up that content for different types of mediums. And that way, if you lose like YouTube demonetizing, you and deletes all your videos, at least all the other sites. Well, you know, they won’t delete your stuff, so you’ll still be out there.

So that’s the first story. The second story about learning in the last couple of years or so is that community is King. Community is King. And so one of the best ways to grow your channel one, the best ways to grow your content and your world is to create a place for community to join and community to talk.

So I’m assuming maybe you can tell me if I’m wrong or not Jase, but do you have a discord channel? You need to have a discord shower. You need to have a place for people who wouldn’t talk, you all your subscribers and the people that love you and love listening to your content that you need to give them a place to commune, to communicate and to connect. The three Cs: commune communicate, and connect. So that’s something that I learned early on. And one of the mistakes I made early on was not giving my community a place to talk about what I was talking about and to grow that relationship with people. So Yasi your job after this podcast is to go make a discord channel. You send me your invite. I will be one of your first people in your discord saying what’s up and saying good morning every morning. 

The third story about learning, and maybe, uh, I’ll give you a better mistake here.

Is that when it comes to content, focus is key. In the beginning of my bite-size Bitcoin channel, I was all over the place. Yeah. I was talking about. Education in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency and what Ethereum is and all the basics of sorts. But then I began to expand out and I used to do, I used to do all these different types of themes and different types of topics.

One of the problems with that with my own audience is that they didn’t know where my focus was. Was I am more of an entrepreneur or was I more, just a content creator? I did a lot of interviews as well. So people were like, is he more of an interviewer person? Or, but he’s also talking about the startup he’s doing.

And so it can be. Used people. And so when I, when bite-size Bitcoin channel was shut down, I built a new YouTube channel called decentralized TV, which grew really fast. Um, in that I just focused on news and I found that more than I grew faster because of my focus. So one of the things that I learned, one thing that your listeners and viewers can take from this is if you want to grow faster, you got to focus. If you want to grow slower. Then talk about all sorts of different things all over the place, but focus equals faster growth. I hope that helps. 

Yasi: Yes, indeed. But I also, my experience is that some startups, when I asked them, who do you want to sell the product to? Many of them say, um, it could be anyone.

Peter Saddington: That’s not a good answer though. And the reason why it’s funny that you say that because. Just last week, we had our team Emrit, our team Emrit global summit, where all of our team came into Atlanta. We had our partners flying all over the place so that we can end. You guys can check that out on my Twitter on @AgilePeter, you can see all the, all the days, day one, day two, day three, day four, day five of our summit.

But one of the things about this, about bringing everyone together, we had an opportunity to talk about user personas. So what is user personas? User personas helps you focus on who your target market is, who your target audiences, because you can’t build for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. You want to build for everyone in the future.

However, in the beginning of a startup, you got to focus on your primary user, your most valuable user, your user that’s going to use your system and going to give you feedback. And so you’re when you talk to startups and they say that, Hey, we want to build this product for everyone. That’s not a good answer because you can’t build for everyone right now, build for user that’ll give you a feedback as highly engaged with what you do doing and launch your product. From there, you can scale out to other years or personas as you grow. 

Yeah, be targeted 

Yasi: and stay focused is quite important. Yeah. And now, as you mentioned, Amrit you are the co-founder of Emirate. And you ventured into the blockchain space already before, and also you received VC backed funding.I think? 

Peter Saddington: VC funding, venture capital funding.

And tell 

Yasi: the audience what is Emrit? 

Oh, I was 

Peter Saddington: waiting for you to ask me the question Yasi. Cause this is my passion. So one of the things. That I have been trying to do ever since I started creating content in 2016 is how can I lower the barrier to entry? How can I get more people into cryptocurrency?

And I’ve learned that there’s so many barriers from education. What is Bitcoin? What is crypto? What is digital wallets? What does digital exchanges like? What is hashing? What does mining? What is, you know, airdrop? There’s just the educational responsibility, uh, is, is so high and they’re actually requires a little bit of sophistication to get into cryptocurrency effectively.

And so. Educating people is great. I think it’s something that more content creators need to do, but I’ve always thought about how can we get people into crypto and they don’t actually need to know crypto. And so I noodled on this problem for a long time. How can I get people into cryptocurrency? And they never have to learn about it.

Well, we came up with this great idea Emrit and our product. Cool spot. So cool spot is the world’s first hardware drop. You guys have probably heard of airdrops, which are free crypto coins in, in the ether. But this is the world’s first hardware drop, where we’re giving our hardware, hotspot and miner to everyone for free.

So if you go to emirate.io, you can sign up and get a free hotspot miner that will pay you about 25 bucks per month in helium tokens. And you don’t need to know anything about cryptocurrency, you load up the helium app. You get your wallet, you can see how much you’re earning, how much you’re mining and you can spread it out and give out other cool spots to other people in your network.

It’s sorts of great way to get into cryptocurrency and have the hardware to do so. And so that’s essentially what Emirate is. It’s a company creating the world’s first hardware drop, where we’re giving free, free, a free hotspot miner that minced you money. That you can trade out for cash. And soon we’re going to have an off ramp, so people can go immediately, uh, instead of helium to cash, we’ll just give them cash.

So they literally don’t ever have to touch crypto. And not only that, it gets them into the game of cryptocurrency and learning slowly about digital wallets. And what does this mean? And why am I suddenly able to make 25 bucks a month when the minor only costs me 37 cents a month to run. And so in some ways, and this is what really excites me Yasi.

In some ways, I feel like we have solved universal basic income for 50% of the world. Now for us Americans, you know, North Americans, for example, we might not care about 25 bucks a month, but 90% of the world is looking for extra money per month, 50% of the world, 25 USD per month is life-changing money.

It’s awesome. And so if I can give my cool spot, which is right here, this is what it looks like. If I can give my cool spot to people and it earns them twenty-five USD a month, they now can have a passive income that can fund their ideas, fund their products, fund their projects, or live a better life with more autonomy and freedom because they have literally a hardware device that makes them money.

And what else is there to like?! And so we, we love this product. We love, we love that we’ve, uh, been able to build this and create a business model around it. And we invite all of your listeners and Watchers to go to emrit.io, to get your free hotspot, cool spot miner. 

Yasi: And I will leave the link in the show notes.

Peter Saddington: For sure.

Yasi: And the question to you about helium project. Maybe the audience have not heard about it. So how Emrit powers helium or how you work together? 

Peter Saddington: Great question. So helium was built by Amir, uh, about seven years ago, who was the president of, of helium. And what helium essentially is, is growing the IOT network.

And so what they’ve done is they’ve used a really interesting gamification mechanism and an incentive mechanism to get people into cryptocurrency and creating this IOT network through the people’s, what they call hashtag the people’s network. So what helium did is they said, Hey, you can buy a hotspot miner for 300 bucks or so, and it’ll earn you helium tokens over the last seven years, they’ve scaled out to about 10,000 miners worldwide. Now we want to do that even bigger and better. So we at Emirate decided to leverage. Helium’s already existing infrastructure of the helium network, as well as our IOT network. And we want to scale it out even faster. So long story short, what’s the goal of Emirate. It’s to create the global IOT network of the future by giving everyone on the planet, a free hotspot miner to create a global mesh network where everything that can be connected on the internet of things, IOT can be connected.

So whether you want to connect your phone or your car or your coffee maker, or your refrigerator or your home security, anything that can be connected now we’re creating a free, public wireless network. That is a way from the telecom industry. And so a couple of years ago, I’ll tell you a quick story. A couple of years ago, Amir was at South South by Southwest.

And he was speaking about disrupting the telecom industry because the telecom industry has such a grip and a grasp on us consumers. And so that inspired me to, to think about, hey, how could we create a free public wireless network? And he was already beginning with helium six, seven years, you know, building this IOT network and this infrastructure.

So we said, Hey, this is great. What a great project they’re already scaling out. We have the contacts, the partners, and the vendors, the manufacturing, the shipping, these types of things. We know who they are. We connected with them and we said, Hey, we want to go bigger. We want to grow the global IOT network of the future.

And, not only that as we scale, as we scale out to the world, we want to invest in entrepreneurs and guys like maybe even maybe like yourself, yes, you who are interested in growing small businesses, we will fund you. We will give you money. We will be venture capitalists to you. If you want to build. On the global IOT network or on helium.

And so it’s a real awesome opportunity for entrepreneurs. Not only to get passive income by getting like a cool spot for free, but also if you’re an engineer and you want to build on it, I’ll send you money. I’ll help you become a better entrepreneur. 

Yasi: So to make the audience understand that this is not a scam, please explain that how they make money by receiving a free hardware from you?

Peter Saddington: Hmm. Great. 

Yasi: How you make money? 

Peter Saddington: Great question. And so we receive about 80% of the mining rewards and though eight, and some people might are in our, you know, the hosts, which would maybe be someone like yourself or anyone that gets a cool spot for free. You receive 20% of the mining rewards. Now we’re looking to up those mining rewards up to 30% in the next coming years or so, but people may ask, well, Peter.

Why do you guys need to take 70, 80% of the mining rewards? Well, it’s simple. We have a team of 10 plus team people all over the world. We’re paying for manufacturing, we’re paying for shipping, we’re paying for the software platform or the business platform for our region, the deployment partners we’re paying for technical support.

And we’re paying our meager and very small salaries of 10 plus people in our company. And so we are a legitimate company, but we also need to make sure that we have operational, you know, capital to keep moving and to keep growing. So right now the split is. 80 20. And we hope to make that closer to 70 30 in the next coming near to our hosts.

Yasi: And on the other hand for people like me or the other people who ordered this hardware it’s for free. So, but in exchange we provide. Internet connection through this hotspot to the other IOT devices, is that right? 

Peter Saddington: You provide, you provide wireless IOT coverage to create a global public wireless network that on entrepreneurs and engineers and creatives can build on.

And it’s not just like some. Sort of emerging technology, LoRaWAN, or long range wide area network and long fight technology has been around for a long time. And there are tons of IOT service providers, IOT vendors, IOT companies that are already building on this. For example, Samsung and 

LG Toshiba, right?

Big company. IBM, right. Big companies are already building sensors and building applications for the IOT world. The problem is. Is, they don’t have a global network to run on. And so my conversations that are super exciting with some of these big companies is, Hey, you guys have all this technology. You have all these products that you want to build on IOT.

But the network is sparse. The network is small. It’s not spread out and there’s not full coverage everywhere. Well, we want to solve that problem. We want to make sure that there’s full coverage everywhere. So any type of individual or big business that wants to deploy products on the IOT network will have a network that has a hundred percent coverage and is global.

Yasi: So you created a business motto that is wing, wing, wing to all stakeholders in the ecosystem? Yes. Sounds fantastic. Yes, it’s awesome. It’s awesome. 

And your background is in agile. You’re right. Are agile coach. How do you think your background as agile coach contributed to your entrepreneurial journey?

Peter Saddington: Great question. So I’ve always been an entrepreneur at heart. I was the, I was the kid in, in, uh, working on Telnet and BBS in the early nineties. And I was one of the first people in my class, in the mid nineties. Be creating a really terrible websites online. Uh, and you might, you might remember all the, all the, the Meta crawlers and the web crawlers and all the things that were pre Google of sorts.

And so I’ve always been an entrepreneur. Now when I first learned about agile. So Angela is a software development framework, a software development worldview that is very lean. It is the whole idea is to execute quickly, work together effectively, small teams, uh, respond to change quickly. These types of ideas.

And so when I learned about agile for software development, it made a lot of sense for entrepreneurial endeavors. Entrepreneurs need to execute quickly. They need to pivot quickly. They need to make decisions quickly. They, because they have burn or they have investment capital that they’re spending money, you know, And so agile works really, really well with small startups and big businesses alike because it creates a, a mental model or a worldview of how can we create hypotheses, execute against those hypothesis quickly, validate them, learn something.

And then improve as we go, instead of having these long-winded plans, these full year build-outs when you’re building out something complex. And by the end of the year, you build it and you deploy it and people are like, what is this? I don’t know what this is, man. It sucks. Or it’s not anything that I thought it was supposed to be.

Well, yeah. Things have changed in the last nine months. And so agile allows us to make small, incremental deployments to production, to our users, to our customers, getting feedback from them and learning and improving the product quickly as we go. And so agile is great for startups as a consultant and trainer.

I train people every month and companies every month on how to build their products faster, using agile and scrum. 

Yasi: I had an episode, um, with, um, startup founder, but he used to be a consultant. They also learned agile, while he was a consultant there, he finds it is very useful since he started his own tech startup.

So my question to you is that, who else do you think should learn agile besides entrepreneurs? 

Peter Saddington: Everyone should learn agile, frankly, in my opinion, agile is actually the natural way to work. For example, When we were young kids, right? When we were young kids, we didn’t plan things out. We just did stuff. We just learned through experience.

And what happens as we grow older. And this is fascinating. Yasi, that as we grow older as adults, we feel like we know more. So therefore we can plan the future. The problem is, is that you can’t plan the future if I could plan the future. Yasi, I would’ve bought a lotto ticket yesterday and I wouldn’t be talking with you.

Uh, you know, if I knew what the future was going to be, 

Yasi: Nobody knows if you know what the future will be. You will be a scammer. 

Peter Saddington: Exactly. Exactly. So we learn by doing as young children, young, you know, young kids. And so as adults, we forget that we think that we can plan out especially complex systems that we’re trying to build.

And so I see agile as the natural way of doing any type of work. Take a small chunk. Build on that idea, learn something from it, improve, get feedback, and then make the next iteration better. Um, what the, one of the big problems with big companies is they plan for, you know, 15 months. And then they spend 20 months building it and then the market’s changed or the market shifted or consumer appetites have changed or COVID happens.

Right. And there’s no funding for things. And then you’ve spent all this time planning and building something out in the future tanks you, the future changes everything. The market changes and so agile, there’s three really powerful things that agile allows you to do. Number one, agile allows you to deploy product faster.

Number two, it allows you to reduce risk emergent risk of your project better. And number three, it allows you to make money faster, because you’re deploying that, those things out to the world. I mean, if you go to emrit.io right now, the website’s not perfect. If you log in and you go into your host account, it’s not pretty, but it’s functional.

And the reason is, is there’s no point in trying to polish it and make it all perfect. When we might learn something tomorrow. Then we’re going to have to change everything. And so we want to build light frameworks. We want to execute. We want to ship, ship, ship, ship, ship, product, uh, so that our customers can get it quickly and then give us feedback on how to make it better next time. 

Yasi: Right. Speed to market is so important nowadays. 

Peter Saddington: Yeah, you got it. 

Yasi: what do you recommend to start with learning agile? There are like so many courses. 

Peter Saddington: There are so many courses. And I mean, if I could chill for just a second, I am a certified scrum trainer. So I do certified scrum master courses and certified product owner courses every month. Um, and so I do one scrum master course of one product owner course every month. And so you can come learn from me. It’s a two day public course, or you can simply go to agilemanifesto.org to learn about agile and learn about the, the four core ideas and the 12 principles behind it. Um, or you can go buy a book.

I’ve published a couple of books on agile and scrum. Uh, so you can look those up as well. Uh, but there’s some great books, but you can also go to scrum, scrum guide. You can, uh, Google scrum guides and you’ll find Ken Schwaber and Jeff Sutherland’s guide on how to deploy agile within the scrum framework.

So that’s where I would start agilemanifesto.org and Google scrum. 

Yasi: Yeah. I will also put those information in the show notes. Thank you very much. And where can our audience find you? Follow you on the internet? 

Peter Saddington: Hmm. Well, you can find me on Twitter. 

Yasi: There’s 19 different platforms? 

Peter Saddington: Lots of different platforms, but you can, you can start off.

You can obviously go to Emrit.io, E M R I T. Dot I O. Get your free hardware drop it’s free. You have nothing to lose. So just go do it. Uh, but you can also follow us on Twitter @Emritio, and you can also follow me on Twitter @agilePeter. So those are the first places that you can start. And if you can find me on other places, that’d be great as well.

Yasi: Thank you so much for today’s session. And I learned a lot from you and to hear a lot of interesting stories from you, and I hope the audience enjoyed this episode and follow you on the internet. 

Peter Saddington: Thank you so much. Yasi, it’s been great. I appreciate you very much.